Which stage are you in?

Compassion   0 votes - 0 %
Awkward Smiling   0 votes - 0 %
Denial   0 votes - 0 %
Frustration   2 votes - 9 %
Quiet Mocking   6 votes - 28 %
Ignoring   1 vote - 4 %
Acceptance   4 votes - 19 %
The one I forgot   4 votes - 19 %
Shut up. You're sexist.   4 votes - 19 %
 
21 Total Votes
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Re: The Seven Stages Of gaaaaaaak (2.00 / 4)

Hey, guess who read the top-recced post "Why Hillary's Failings Are the Fault of Everyone But Her" and the latest "Some Random Person Online Said Something Sexist Once So I Hate Obama" diary (I think it's a daily series, about to be optioned by CBS) and finally lost it?

That's right! Me! Howyoudoin?


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:10:57 PM EST

Re: The Seven Stages Of whatever i just posted (2.00 / 1)

Oh, wait, I did that "first post" thing that you always see on XXXXXX's diaries wrong.

Let me try again.

Hey! I agree with everything I wrote! Go Hillary!


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:12:20 PM EST

Re: The Seven Stages Of (none / 0)

Hillaryland

Where the demons dwell; where the banshees live - and they do live well

Hillaryland

Where a man is a man, and the children dance to the pipes of pan

Hillaryland

'tis a magic place, where the moon doth rise with a dragon's face

Hillaryland

where the virgins lie, and the prayers of devils fill the midnight sky - hy hy!

And you my love, won't you take my hand?
We'll go back in time to that mystic land.
Where the dew drops cry and the cats meow,
I will take you there.
I will show you how.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:22:54 PM EST

Re: The Seven Stages Of (none / 0)

The idea of little people dancing around a foam pantsuit is filling my dingy blackened heart with joy.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:25:41 PM EST
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your heart could be none more black (none / 0)


by JJE on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:38:21 PM EST
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Re: your heart could be none more black (none / 0)

It's crispy. I tried using grill-cleaning oil on it once, but it just made it crispy and oily.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:42:20 PM EST
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Your heart (none / 0)

Has been seared to a cinder in the flame wars
But I suspect it still is 'a point'.
Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:55:26 PM EST
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Re: your heart could be none more black (none / 0)

I cannot believe that only one person thought of that.  Congratulations.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:43:22 PM EST
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Re: your heart could be none more black (none / 0)

Do'h! I just got the "none more black" lyric. They think I'm sllloooowwww, eh?


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:54:19 PM EST
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Re: your heart could be none more black (none / 0)

The diary is a bit overboard but I agree with one point.

People on blogs are not real people. If you are going to vote, I would think something other than; "Somebody is wrong on the internet!"  is involved in the desicion making process.

Unity should be seeked by both parties involved.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:58:53 PM EST
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Not so much... (none / 0)

I don't think this really accomplishes anything except make people more angry, and the condesending tone of the post kind of offends me, as a Hillary supporter who is behind Barack 100% for the general election.

Let's just put it this way: while I understand that some Hill supporters have been out of control, your post is 1)painting with a broad brush and 2)not going to help us draw back in people to win the election in November. Yes, I know that people shouldn't vote on the supporters but on the person who's running, but some people still get pissed off enough to say "Screw it". Barack's going to need every vote he can get to win the general election.

95% of Obama supporters on here have been wonderful since the nomination was pretty much sewn up, and that has helped things alot. Please don't undermine thier work by typing a crude "haha we won u lost get overz it!" post. The only goal for all of us is a win in November, and things like this are extremely counterproductive to this.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:27:51 PM EST

Re: Not so much... (2.00 / 1)

This has nothing to do with Hillary supporters who, by and large are truly awesome and lovely people for whom I have a deep well of respect for. My mom and wife would kill me otherwise.

This is about the XXXXXXs and XXXXX XXXXXXXX and Taylor Marshes and Larry Johnsons and company still spreading crap about Barack Obama and, worse, Michelle Obama, on this site and others. It's for the people who filled my several overwritten diaries of "Unity" with "Stop pretending to be God saying the election is over" and "Don't talk about WE, I'm not defending Obama" and today's top recced, 5-part series about how everyone but the author is sexist or something.

I'm not trying to be "helpful" anymore. I'm tired of how everyone seems OK with only Obama supporters losing rec privs or seeing diaries dropped. I'm tired of being held to what some unnamed Daily Kos poster once did, so that everytime I post I get a "no, YOU unify." I'm going for "puckish" and "getting out my nic withdrawl by typing." It's as cathartic for me as posting a Hillary conference call verbatim is for others.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:37:57 PM EST
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I doubt you're an Obama supporter (none / 0)

And if you are, you aren't smart enough to realize you hurt his candidacy when you write diaries like this.

My two cents.


by Michael Begala on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:34:43 PM EST

Re: I doubt you're an Obama supporter (2.00 / 2)

For the first time in my life, allow me to say:

LOL.

I can no more hurt Obama's candidacy by posting here than I can hurt the moon by eating cheese. If my posting here causes someone to say, "Screw Roe v. Wade, I'm protest voting some guy on a blog somewhere" than by all means.

But really, if somewhere, if just one Hillary supporter reads this and says, "you know, he's right, I should support Obama," then its all worth it. And by "worth it," I mean, "there's no way in hell that would happen even if I offered video proof of Obama saving puppies from a wheat combine and then empowering the female puppies to vote."


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:41:36 PM EST
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Can I just echo this (2.00 / 1)

LOL

Spent about a month seeing if ANYTHING I said or did made any difference to the dead enders.

But no: neither reason, sympathy, nor submission seem to work. They just want Obama supporters to apologise for existing for, in their alternative universe, if he hadn't existed everything would be fine, and their candidate would have made no mistakes.

Personally, I think Obama's saved Hillary from humiliation in the GE.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:58:50 PM EST
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Re: I doubt you're an Obama supporter (2.00 / 2)

This diary has no effect on anyone's vote whatsoever.  Nor do diaries by you, Texasdarlin, Linfar, or anyone else.  We've been in the foodfight for so long that we're all covered with the mashed potatos and gravy.  No one is clean from the mashed potatos and gravy - not even you.

Oh Lettuce, you forgot "surrealistic nihilism" in your stages of "Finish Grieving Already".


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:42:03 PM EST
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Re: I doubt you're an Obama supporter (2.00 / 2)

I love it.

What about Dadaist Apathy: It doesn't matter who you vote for, because the fish has no sleeves, banana banana nudity.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:44:10 PM EST
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i know i am gonna get it.... but this diary... (2.00 / 3)

deserves a douchey as response.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:57:26 PM EST

Re: i know i am gonna get it (2.00 / 0)

Hey, I'll admit, there are plenty of Obama supporters for who make the above funny because it's true.

Which was why I chuckled.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat May 17, 2008 at 05:00:40 PM EST
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Re: i know i am gonna get it (none / 0)

Heh, got me too.


by KyleJRM on Sat May 17, 2008 at 05:42:39 PM EST
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Re: i know i am gonna get it.... but this diary.. (2.00 / 0)

Nice diagram. Bit late for the visual humor from your campaign, but kudos for your all your support for Hillary.

Yes, she will!


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Sat May 17, 2008 at 05:00:56 PM EST
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Re: i know i am gonna get it.... but this diary.. (2.00 / 0)

As an Obama supporter. This is funny as hell.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 17, 2008 at 05:02:28 PM EST
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Re: i know i am gonna get it.... but this diary.. (none / 0)

I'm not going to lie, and I might get tagged for it too, but I couldn't care less whether the Hillary deadenders ever come around for Obama or not. Note that this does not mean "all Hillary supporters", just the ultra-bitter ones on blogs. Trust me, I won't shed a tear when Larry Johnson or Susan Hu votes for McCain in November.


by amiches on Sat May 17, 2008 at 05:09:51 PM EST
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Re: i know i am gonna get it.... but this diary.. (none / 0)

Cool!  and true.


by SHIBAM8P on Sat May 17, 2008 at 05:10:21 PM EST
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Re: i know i am gonna get it.... but this diary.. (none / 0)

Nah, Obama needs Clinton supporters, not the Clintonistas.  There is a difference.


by ProgressiveDL on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:51:54 PM EST
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Re: The Seven Stages Of "Finish G (none / 0)

If you're an Obama supporter and can rec diaries, please help get this up.


by amiches on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:58:35 PM EST

Re: The Seven Stages Of "Finish G (2.00 / 0)

Are there any of those left?


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:59:30 PM EST
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Re: The Seven Stages Of "Finish G (2.00 / 1)

Miraculously, I still do - probably because I don't rec much. But I was actually banned for a little while for calling one of our favorite deadenders a "racist" for saying racist things. I was duly reminded that this was against the rules here at MyDD, where racism doesn't exist.


by amiches on Sat May 17, 2008 at 05:11:27 PM EST
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Re: The Seven Stages Of "Finish G (none / 0)

But sexism does!


by ProgressiveDL on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:52:41 PM EST
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Re: The Seven Stages Of "Finish G (none / 0)

I still have mine...


by SocialDem on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:17:34 PM EST
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wish I could - check my sig (none / 0)


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:59:31 PM EST
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Re: The Seven Stages Of "Finish G (none / 0)

buyer's remorse?


by SHIBAM8P on Sat May 17, 2008 at 05:11:22 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

Lettuce, if I were going bowling, I'd invite you along and buy you a gooey bowl of parasite-laden nachos.


John McCain hates terrorists, except the ones that hate women. Those are just swell.
by terra on Sat May 17, 2008 at 05:22:00 PM EST

Re: (none / 0)

Awww. I'd bowl a 37, but ultimately the parasites would improve my score and make Leela love me.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat May 17, 2008 at 05:42:26 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

how did I KNOW you'd be a Futurama fan?

Anyway, that was a potato salad sandwich, and friends just don't let friends do that! These would be NACHOS, man, NACHOS.


John McCain hates terrorists, except the ones that hate women. Those are just swell.
by terra on Sat May 17, 2008 at 05:52:49 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

I've had better.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat May 17, 2008 at 06:01:10 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

And I've yet to do my "All Praise to the Hypno-Clark" diary, but the unblinking General has been so quiet the cycle! If he'd run, it'd have been AWESOME.

Instead I'll make do with a "The big Hillary am winning again! I am the greetest! Now I am leaving the election for no raison!" post when she ultimately drops out Tuesday.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat May 17, 2008 at 06:04:03 PM EST
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The very fact that you wrote this diary (none / 0)

suggests that there may be an eighth stage, "Self-Defeating Antagonism".  Acceptance is slowly replaced by a toxic mixture of paranoia and frustration and, against your better instincts, you attempt to openly alienate HRC supporters.

I still thought it was funny though.


John McCain: Extending SCHIP would be an "unfunded liability."
by Fuzzy Dunlop on Sat May 17, 2008 at 05:23:46 PM EST

Re: The very fact that you wrote this diary (none / 0)

I prefer the term, "poking the bear."

I mean, there's never any reason why it would be good to poke a bear with a stick. And yet, poke. Poke. Poke.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat May 17, 2008 at 05:41:48 PM EST
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Fuck You (none / 0)

And I mean that most sincerely.


by Trickster on Sat May 17, 2008 at 05:56:26 PM EST

Re: Fuck You (2.00 / 1)

Have you ever thought that when Socrates said "know thyself," he was really saying, in a biblical sort of way, "fuck you?"


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat May 17, 2008 at 06:04:57 PM EST
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Re: Fuck You (none / 0)

I'm going to put this as politely as I can.  I do not endorse mocking people within the party generally, but you do have to see one thing.

The world is moving on.  The party certainly is.  We know what we have to do.  This place is a bastion of those who frankly do not understand the harsh political reality - the game is up.

Senator Clinton is a superb Senator and may well become Majority Leader at some point.  She's run on important issues and has helped make our presumptive nominee into a much better candidate than he would have been otherwise.

And Senator Obama has done that for Senator Clinton as well.  She is better at campaigning now.  She'd never faced a serious opponent in either of her Senate races.  Adversity makes us stronger.

Each of them has served as a whetstone for the other.  That's all to the good.

But please, please don't think that some of the contortions that Senator Clinton's campaign (and yes, as sometimes parrotted here) has concocted to explain how she is, in fact winning, are anything other than hilarious.

When you're down to a less than one in ten chance of a pyrrhic victory, it's time to move on.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 06:16:31 PM EST
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Re: Fuck You (none / 0)

Finally, someone uses "pyrrhic" correctly.

Most people think it means "irrelevant".


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 06:28:21 PM EST
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Re: Fuck You (none / 0)

I had a student use it as "pariahic." And contextually it made more sense than had the word been used correctly.

Would have made a great sniglet though.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:05:26 PM EST
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Re: Fuck You (2.00 / 1)

I think, based on polling figures and extrapolations from same, that I speak for a sizeable chunk of the Democratic Party.  And I think there is a sizeable chunk of the Obama-supporting crowd that just doesn't get it that we are serious, invested, and not hunting for a bandwagon to jump on.  And if Tim Russert's decree that it is over is indeed coming to pass, that makes it a worse time to fuck with us, not a better time.  We're feeling kinda raw.

So being treated politely and respectfully is important to me right now.  There's no chance that I will ever vote for John McCain, but there is a very significant chance that I will permanently end my 36-year association with the Democratic Party.  I have never felt represented by the Democrats, but I have always felt that they were people I could live with. Now I am very much wondering if that is true.

I know they're still not as bad as the Republicans, so they will always or almost always get my votes.  But in the past they've gotten a lot more than that from me.  A lot.  Whether that will happen in the future is very much up for grabs.

Getting ridiculed makes that less likely in two ways: (1) It's personal, it hurts, and it makes me bitter and drives me further away, and (2) it makes me feel more strongly that the new Democratic Party is not a group I wish to be associated with.  Making fun of those you have just defeated is not an admirable character trait in my book.  My friends don't do shit like that.


by Trickster on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:04:47 PM EST
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Re: Fuck You (2.00 / 1)

Very concise, and full of good points.  I think the problem, frankly is that we've got nutjobs here, and certainly some Republicans posing as Democrats who are helping to drive a wedge here.  I don't like mocking allies.  I don't.

But it is so hard to watch people go through god knows how many contortions to justify something that simply isn't gonna happen.  I started out by trying to respectfullly point out that the race is, for all intents and purposes, decided.  I got mocked for saying so.  

I've had people say things to me here that defy logic, reason, sanity, and decency.  I've been called a sexist, or near enough anyway, for supporting Senator Obama.  When I'm insulted, I react.

Almost all that I see here at this website is never-ending series of diaries and posts from about fifteen people who just do not understand how elections work, but insist on trying to convince less politically aware people that it's more like the fourth inning than the ninth.

You are in neither group, and I am not suggesting a lack of political sophistication on your part.  You are due more respect than you have found here.  For my part, I am sorry.

But this place is turning into a haven for people who will not accept the fact that their candidate just didn't deliver.  Don't blame Obama's supporters, or Obama himself for that matter.  We didn't cheat (neither did Senator Clinton).  We haven't had to find new and novel ways to define victory in order to stave off defeat.

I'm a 3L.  I gather from an earlier post that you are an attorney.  Please understand that I am attempting to reason with a group of people (Clinton supporters at this website) which has a particularly high percentage of people who are not behaving as though reason is dispositive for them.

I wasn't taught to believe so hard that reality will bend around me.  It's a bit shocking when us Obama folks are the ones explaining reality.  We were mocked all through 2007 for being a pack of ineffectual dreamers.  Having seen that, I have more than a little sympathy and respect for those who support someone they genuinely feel is the better candidate.

But please don't take this stuff nearly so personally.  The Obama campaign hasn't offended you here.  A bunch of internet tards have.

This place is not full of the Democratic Party's better angels.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:29:44 PM EST
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Re: Fuck You (none / 0)

That was a very wise and concise post. This diary surely does not deserve a post like this.

That is the root of my frustration, has been for weeks. People bashing caucuses with a total lack of understanding of why they have been essential in the past (although it is likely time to move on) Or recklessly pushing for MI and FL to count without thinking of the consequences to the organization of the party. Or calling one thing "fair" another thing "unfair" based on outcome, not based on however the party leadership came up with it.

And it frustrates me to see the Clinton campaign capitalizing on it. I mean, they got no less than three of the main Clinton defenders here who I will keep anonymous, but refer to by the clever names "arpeggio," "oklahoma clemintine" and Jeremiah Legweak" to post no fewer than three main diaries on the incredible news event Hillary has a new phrase for not winning: "maps, not math." While Legweak is a savvy guy, and should know better, the other two are so frequently on the other side of logic it's almost cruel to comment.

It's a smart strategy, since politicians have capitalized on media stupidity for eons. But it's frustrating for people who know what this site was once like, you know, informed discourse.

So, after several "can't we all just get along" postings, and "seriously, I'm not sexist" I'm just done. Burnt. I'm at the point of building the model airplane that so many pieces are broken or covered in glue blobs that I'll just make it into a spaceship and bang it with a hammer using my Fisher Price pixel camera. The video of which my Clinton-supporting mom will throw away, (and the very valuable camera with it) when I leave for college.

And no, that's not why I support Obama. It is, in part, why I'm a total loon.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:03:05 PM EST
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Re: The Seven Stages for Seven Brothers (none / 0)


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:06:04 PM EST

You forgot one! (none / 0)

8. Make-up Sex


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:49:41 PM EST

Re: You forgot one! (none / 0)

dis.turb.ing. thought.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:42:29 AM EST
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Re: The Seven Stages Of (none / 0)

Awesome diary, made me laugh.


by brathor on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:47:05 AM EST

Re: The Seven Stages Of (none / 0)

thanks!


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:42:43 AM EST
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